tell us what you saw, what you went through. >> sure. there were a lot of very strange interventions that were purported to help change your orientation from homosexuality to heterosexuality. among them were of the bizarre exercises that i participated in was i formed -- i was part of a group that formed a human barricade and on the other side of that barricade were a pair of oranges meant to represent another man's testicles, and there was a participant in the exercise who was supposed to break through that barricade and grab the oranges and was instructed to squeeze them and drink the juice from them and to shove them down his pants and all this was to symbolize that, you know, his homosexuality was related to his lack of masculinity or his lack of, you know, these metaphorical testicles and that reclaiming them would promote him toward heterosexuality. >> i know you want to get across that as disturbing, as sensational some of the specifics certainly are, it's equally important to pay attention to the undercurrent of this so-called th